Australias Birth Chart

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And what if Wally wasn't born in Australia?

If you do the calculations right, you're supposed to always end up with the local sidereal time, not the time zone time.

My software says 21:23 Aries rising.

That looks like the same ascendant, but in tropical longitude. Why don't you analyze the chart from tropical? I think it works quite well for a country.

My softare is designed to work from the recorded time. For a modern time-zone time, it corrects on the basis of the positional coordinates, but doesn't give a sidereal time as such. If you give it local mean time, you have to tell it that.

Cheers.

As above, so below.

That's for you to find out. Just because someone lives in a country doesn't mean they were born there. It's kind of interesting that you make wholesale assumptions without checking the actual data - it helps to explain many of your posts.

A birth chart for a country???

Does it get any more deluded than this?

How about a chart for our solar system?

I know that. To the extent that he is Australian, Australia's birth chart applies to him. The people born IN Australia also have different birth charts than the whole country.

If he believes he's Australian, he's Australian. If he's Australian, the country's chart applies to him, but he also has his own individual birth karma.

So what's the big deal here? Angledweeb has just been off, in terms of any human birthchart, and any national birthchart. What Australia's chart shows is what he's off from. It's of value if he wants to get on. And I think that it is of value, because somewhere deep down in his contemptuous and twisted psyche, he knows he's off. But he'll never admit any of this. When he gets on, he'll simply disappear.

As above, so below

Like the assumption that all of Australia was 'having evolved from a community of convicts', which also isnt true.

Quite. Still, you lot still cheat at cricket

'The people who take birth in Australia have done that for the sake of the expansion of consciousness and spiritual development. Make no mistake about it. No matter how they come off, and no matter what they say about themselves, this is what they're really about. Even the Tithi of this chart - Ekadasi - is about spirituality.'

What you are now saying is that actual birthdata are not relevant in astrology.

But using wrong data for both Wally's birthdata and Australia's data, and then supposedly basing your opinion on that data is not insulting?

You've basically admitted that birthdata are irrelevant in astrology and that the only thing that's important is *your* opinion of someone based on their usenet posts.

Don't worry, you're not the first person to do this, and certainly not the first astrologer to make a fool of themselves in this way.

This sounds suspiciously similar to 'create one's own reality.'

'Countries' are geographical facts that are arbitrarily scribbled upon by humans.

Utter bullshit. There is not one iota of evidence that celestial bodies have any significant influence upon one human at the moment of birth, let alone millions of them. To exclaim by extension that the birth of one human is analogous to the 'birth' of a nation (an unfortunate use of the term that only a kook would construe to mean so) is akin to saying that all men have mothers, therefore the earth must also have a mother.

That logic is totally unsound, as even a cursory knowledge of the subject would reveal.

That world view happens to be held by the majority of

That's simply not so.

The specific empirical data which have led to

That world view dominates in superstitious, primitive societies.