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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
goodtradebrigade
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For anyone thinking of testing astrology;
It would be very instructive in this regard to know just what you believe astrology to be first. Also..

Since theories determine what we observe;

1) What is your motive for the test?
2) What are your qualifications to do research?
3) What are your astrological qualifications?
4) Where will the results be published?

Here are some considerations we would need to consider to create a strong experiment in astrology;

First in ANY test or scientific research it is assumed that understanding is
TENTATIVE. Skeptical is the perspective that perfect knowledge is not possible.

Observational studies have the ability to be more generalizable and natural but have little control over lurking variables. Sample surveys is one kind.
Experiments deliberately impose treatment or change in order to observe effects, are more controlled and allow for causal statements (if met by conditions outlined below). But experiments are more clinical, not natural, isolated, and may lessen real world application.

Here are other rules and considerations;
1) The use of an unbiased sampling method. In this case because we may be measuring categorical variables they would need to be SRS.
2) Minimizing the variables that differ between groups EXCEPT the explanatory variable. Astrology has 5.393707075 x 10 58th factors to measure (minimum). Not counting psychology and free will factors-thats a lot of lurking variables. If you are measuring astrology and not sunsign

3) Maximizing the difference between groups on explanatory variable.
4) How will you impose random assignments, produce replication, block for sex differences and deal with an unbelievable variety of categorical variables?
5) Did we control for demand characteristics? (that individuals are unable to figure out the meaning of the test).
6) What are the limits of veridicality?
7) Is the causation internal and subjective or external and objective?
8) what are the prevailing factors at time of testing that may determine locus of causation?
9) Is there a functional attribution error probability on the part of the experimenter? Observational bias?

In order to make causal statements with regard to correlations one must have;
1) Cause must precede effect.
2) Cause and effect must co-vary.
3) All other possible explanations between cause and effect must be ruled out.

Correlations do not imply explanation. A correlation is a QUANTITATIVE description of the strength and direction of the two variables. Most astrological interpretations are QUALITATIVE. Most behavioral studies are observational and more natural. Correlations are greatly affected by outliers (anomaly). Outliers makes predictions less accurate. Inferential statistic=based on PROBABILITY, which is all one will get-not "proof." It compares what would happen by chance if only done once as compared to what would be results over many or time. We simply get statements of the HO (the null hypothesis) being false in degrees of probability. Hence we disproved in degrees that the Earth was flat-never PROVED it was round. A statistic=is any number which describes a sample. A Parameter=any number which describes a population. Variability-the greater the spread (measured on a histogram). The acceptable cutoff for alpha is .05 in tests of significance. Which aspects of astrology can be tested as categorical variables and which as quantitative?
Is there Simpson's paradox at work? As in the case of quantitative variables, the effects of lurking variables can change or even reverse relationships between two categorical variables. (The Basic Practice of Statistics, 1995,
David S. Moore, page 157).

The scientific method involves and incorporates;
1) Empirical verification.
2) Operational definition.
3) Controlled observation.
4) Statistical generalization and empirical confirmation.

Unless you have operationally defined astrology properly through application, you are wasting time with all of the above.

"A physician without a knowledge of astrology has no right to call himself a physician." Hippocrates

"Nothing exists or happens in the visible sky that is not sensed in some hidden moment by the faculties of earth and nature." Johannes Kepler

"Astrology, bar sinister in the escutcheon of astronomy, maintains a unique and lonely position in human thought. It is "believed in" by a lot of people who know practically nothing about it; and it is "disbelieved in" by even more who know ABSOLUTELY nothing about it. Of no other art or science can this be said." Grant Lewi- "Why I believe in Astrology"

Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. © 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
JinJinMurrs
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X-No-Archive: Yes.

Already did Personally. It failed statistical analysis miserably.
The whole story is in the Archive.

There are no real astrologers on aa.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
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That's because there is no sense to find.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
KentuckySlut1984
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It is amazing when the light comes on!
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
efridell
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You got THAT right!
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
funstuff
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You actually think it is that good?
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
shadowknight
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See if it passes this one:

If an Astrologer claims certification or written recommendation, demand to see them. Should the claimant fail to produce these credentials, forever hold the Astrologer in ridicule and contempt.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
rwolney
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It is an academic explanation of 'cause" for those who don't know.
What part of it would you like further explanation on?

Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. © 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
JinJinMurrs
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Say, weren't you the kook who claimed not to believe in "cause and effect."

Roll over and play smart.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
funstuff
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Now you ask the impossible from him.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
efridell
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What fucking textbook or college course is it used in, liar?

Your use of idiotic hyphenate combinations like "SYNCHRONICITY-because",
"physical-non-physical", "within-the", "world-either", "them-but", and
"electro-magnetic".

You say it's academic; what bullshit. You write like a high school dropout. Oh that's right, you are a high school dropout.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
Zealey
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How about all of it? In sentences that actually make sense?

And why are you hiding behind a pseudonym, Edmo?
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
funstuff
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Beware of kooks wearing panties.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
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The part about when I can expect my lawsuit *and* the part about when my account is going to be killed.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
efridell
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Why are you posting everything twice, retard?
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
efridell
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I not only am agreeing with this poast, I'm also subscribing to it.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
JinJinMurrs
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Say, Eddieeeeeee, what ever happened to that moderated thing you were trying?

"I will only respond to you and your lack of integrity by sending complaints for your abuse from every mailbox I can get."

Eddieeeeeee explaining how he intends to keep flooding abuse departments.
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Posted 4 Years, 4 Months ago
Prologue
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It flunked the test. Why would I want to test it again? Dead horses smell you know.
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